I Can Daisy Chain Subwoofer Amp With Art Sla2 Written By Adamson Yeader Wednesday, April 27, 2022 Add Comment Edit Can someone await at this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-EMX5016CF-S115V-SM15V-PA-Organisation-?sku=630608 And assistance me with ohms/speakers? Information technology says the mixer puts out 500 watts into 4 ohms - would that be the two mains and the 2 monitors? It says information technology puts out 350 watts into 8 ohms (UA) and 320 watts into 8 ohms (H). What does that mean? I tin can't effigy out how many watts this thing volition do with just the two mains and the two monitors. Tin someone assistance me? Cheers! The mixer has 2-500 watt ability amps built in. Y'all could run your 2 mains off ane amp and the 2 monitors off the other. Looks similar a overnice packaged system. In other words you lot would accept 500 watts for your mains and 500 for your monitors. I checked Yamaha'southward site and the 350 watts into 8 ohms is for 120V ability. 320 watts into eight ohms is for 240V ability. Not to pelting on your parade, but I'm not sure in that location is plenty power in the mixer to properly run the mains and the monitors. The way I read it, the power handling of one of the mains is 500 watts plan and g acme and that it has a nominal impedance of 8 ohms. If you daisy chain the mains (assuming they are wired in parallel), the impedance would be iv ohms. At 4 ohms, one of the amps in the mixer would put out 500 watts, this would then be divided between the 2 speakers connected to it, feeding each speaker merely 250 watts. A general dominion of thumb is to take the "program" rating of a speaker and multiply it by 1.vi to ii, giving the range of recommended power (which should not be more than than the "peak" rating of the speaker). In this case, the rule of thumb would tell you to use an amp capable of providing 800 to thousand watts at 8 ohms to each speaker. The monitors have the aforementioned power handling capacity as the mains. It is also my understanding that underpowering speakers tin can cause as much or more harm than overpowering them. Yous will be pushing the amps harder, and will exist more than probable to clip than with amps of adequate or excess ability. I would ask a lot of questions before making the buy. While the speakers are definitely underpowered with this arrangement, I accept used the same Yamaha power sections on a previous version of this powered mixer, with the same ratings and aforementioned speakers, and it worked not bad for pocket-sized to medium bar/club rooms. I did this for a couple years with no issues. Afterwards downwards the route I sent the betoken for the mains to a separate power amp to button the mains at proper ability and but used the onboard mixer amps for the two monitors. Incorrect If you exercise a search on this topic yous will run across that underpowering speakers does non damage them. My wife wrote the in a higher place, as she is the sound person for our ring (I merely play bass), but I think her point is valid if yous follow it through. I did the research you suggested, and overdriving an amp which is not powerful enough to drive your speakers to the level you desire can cause clipping. Clipping tin cause speaker components to overheat and blow. In this sense, underpowering the speaker can cause impairment. But yous right in saying that a steady flow of low ability to a speaker tin never damage it, so long every bit the amp is not being overdriven to the point of clipping. Do you agree with that? Underpowering your speakers is not going to hurt them until you showtime to push button them a little bit. But the same goes for overpowering them. Your best bet would be to utilise 1 main speaker per amp aqueduct and run the aux out to a seperate ability amp to run your monitors. If the OP is going to accept to drive the snot out of this PA and so he needs to get something bigger and more than powerful. If the PA is running into clipping all the time then it would be possible to blow the horns. I would imagine that most blown drivers are from over-powering not under. This is what we wound up doing. It took us a while to build upward our system, but we ultimately acquired a QSC 1850 for our mains, an Art SLA-2 for our monitors and, last, a QSC 1450 for our sub. The mixer had a builit-in crossover. It was worth the wait, as we can now play well-nigh venues around here with this rig, and have even played outside with it a couple of times. We started out with new mains and the 1850, and just used a very one-time Peavey powered mixer to power a couple of old shell up monitors until nosotros could afford new stuff. My opinion is that it is ameliorate to buy the all-time stuff yous tin afford i piece at a fourth dimension. Just, everybody has their own approach. I have a very similar system, merely with the EMX512 mixer and BR15 speakers. Yes, you can run everything off that mixer. The affair to have abroad from the "underpowered" argument is that you absolutely should non try to push your PA to the point where it distorts, as the distortion tin accident your speakers. That 500W + 500W amp is plenty enough power for any club where you don't need to mic the drums, or at least that'southward what nosotros use ours for. For annihilation bigger, we use the house PA or borrow or hire a bigger one from somewhere. The fashion to hook it up--in that location should exist a switch or push somewhere that lets yous switch the amp from 50/R to Main/Monitor. Connect the main output to one primary speaker, then run a cable from the 2nd connection on the main speaker over to the other primary speaker. Practice the same for the monitors. Those cabinets are wired with the jacks in parallel, so even though information technology looks like yous're daisy-chaining the speakers together, you're actually wiring them upwardly in parallel and getting max power out of your amp. This ONLY works with viii-ohm speakers--if you hook 4-ohm speakers this fashion to that mixer you'll overload the amp. Clipping, in itself, does not cause loudspeaker drivers or crossover components to heat upwardly whatever more unclipped signals practice. Dynamic loudspeaker drivers are <<10% efficient, so they heat upwardly when power is applied regardless of whether it's make clean or distorted. Over 90% of the power in the betoken turns into heat and not acoustical energy. When an amp clips, information technology puts out ability in excess of its rating. With severe clipping, it may put out much, much more than power than its rating would indicate. Therefore, an amp rated at, say, 400 watts into 8Ω could be a safe pairing with 8Ω loudspeakers rated at, say, 500 watts continuous … but only if you're careful to avoid pregnant clipping. If y'all drive the amp into heavy clipping, you could easily cause it to put out greater than 500 watts for periods of time, mayhap causing the loudspeaker to fail. Go along in mind, though, that you could likewise destroy the loudspeakers with the same amount of power from a more than powerful amp that doesn't prune. In brusque: Information technology's not the clipping, information technology's the power. Clipping distortion causes boosted harmonics in the signal, and that may endanger tweeters and compression drivers. But clipping as well tends to partially obliterate HF signals that ride on the unremarkably larger LF signals, so the internet power delivered to the HF driver by a passive crossover may exist something of a wash, depending on the plan textile. I utilise what is basically an before version (EMX5000) of what you are looking at, and it'south enough for modest to medium bars/clubs, or pocket-sized outdoor events. We've never run out of power, only then again, have never played to more 150 people without FOH support. What's your intended use? Bob Lee, cheers for the caption. Jehos has it correct. You lot can run 2-8ohm mains for "mains," and 2-8ohm monitors for monitors. information technology will work fine. if yous always want to build onto the system it is easy. You lot tin can run two- 8 ohm mains PER SIDE to get the full potential out of the mixer, then you run a one/4" line fro Aux Transport ane to a monitor amp, and so employ that to power more than 2 monitors, yous can even run Aux send two to give the drummer a different mix. Then you lot can run another 1/four" from "Mono Out" to a set of Active subs, yada yada yada etc. etc. Yammy powered mixers have all the goodies built on them. Its even got 2 channels of sixteen effects ea. that you can play with, reverb and delay are my personal favs. Not sure if you meant to say you tin can run 2-8 ohm speakers per side. I don't think the mixer is capable of running at ii ohms Yes it will exercise 2-viii ohm speakers per side, but not if you run monitors too. You would accept to run the monitors from a betoken from Aux 1 or Aux 2 thru another power amp/EQ. four ohm load per side stereo. If you want to written report it before you buy, go to the Yamaha website and download the owners manual. I'yard pretty sure he meant that as "two 8 ohm speakers" (four ohm load) non "2 through 8 ohm"... So you lot're both correct Here are some related products that TB members are talking about. Clicking on a product volition take yous to TB'due south partner, Master, where you lot can detect links to TB discussions nigh these products. Share This Folio Close Menu Home Forums Search Forums Recent Posts Classifieds Store Media Reviews Wiki Members Notable Members Registered Members Current Visitors Recent Activity New Profile Posts Rules/FAQ Search cochrantumpal1937.blogspot.com Source: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/yamaha-pa-question.525720/ Share this post
Can someone await at this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-EMX5016CF-S115V-SM15V-PA-Organisation-?sku=630608 And assistance me with ohms/speakers? Information technology says the mixer puts out 500 watts into 4 ohms - would that be the two mains and the 2 monitors? It says information technology puts out 350 watts into 8 ohms (UA) and 320 watts into 8 ohms (H). What does that mean? I tin can't effigy out how many watts this thing volition do with just the two mains and the two monitors. Tin someone assistance me? Cheers!
The mixer has 2-500 watt ability amps built in. Y'all could run your 2 mains off ane amp and the 2 monitors off the other. Looks similar a overnice packaged system. In other words you lot would accept 500 watts for your mains and 500 for your monitors.
I checked Yamaha'southward site and the 350 watts into 8 ohms is for 120V ability. 320 watts into eight ohms is for 240V ability.
Not to pelting on your parade, but I'm not sure in that location is plenty power in the mixer to properly run the mains and the monitors. The way I read it, the power handling of one of the mains is 500 watts plan and g acme and that it has a nominal impedance of 8 ohms. If you daisy chain the mains (assuming they are wired in parallel), the impedance would be iv ohms. At 4 ohms, one of the amps in the mixer would put out 500 watts, this would then be divided between the 2 speakers connected to it, feeding each speaker merely 250 watts. A general dominion of thumb is to take the "program" rating of a speaker and multiply it by 1.vi to ii, giving the range of recommended power (which should not be more than than the "peak" rating of the speaker). In this case, the rule of thumb would tell you to use an amp capable of providing 800 to thousand watts at 8 ohms to each speaker. The monitors have the aforementioned power handling capacity as the mains. It is also my understanding that underpowering speakers tin can cause as much or more harm than overpowering them. Yous will be pushing the amps harder, and will exist more than probable to clip than with amps of adequate or excess ability. I would ask a lot of questions before making the buy.
While the speakers are definitely underpowered with this arrangement, I accept used the same Yamaha power sections on a previous version of this powered mixer, with the same ratings and aforementioned speakers, and it worked not bad for pocket-sized to medium bar/club rooms. I did this for a couple years with no issues. Afterwards downwards the route I sent the betoken for the mains to a separate power amp to button the mains at proper ability and but used the onboard mixer amps for the two monitors.
Incorrect If you exercise a search on this topic yous will run across that underpowering speakers does non damage them.
My wife wrote the in a higher place, as she is the sound person for our ring (I merely play bass), but I think her point is valid if yous follow it through. I did the research you suggested, and overdriving an amp which is not powerful enough to drive your speakers to the level you desire can cause clipping. Clipping tin cause speaker components to overheat and blow. In this sense, underpowering the speaker can cause impairment. But yous right in saying that a steady flow of low ability to a speaker tin never damage it, so long every bit the amp is not being overdriven to the point of clipping. Do you agree with that?
Underpowering your speakers is not going to hurt them until you showtime to push button them a little bit. But the same goes for overpowering them. Your best bet would be to utilise 1 main speaker per amp aqueduct and run the aux out to a seperate ability amp to run your monitors.
If the OP is going to accept to drive the snot out of this PA and so he needs to get something bigger and more than powerful. If the PA is running into clipping all the time then it would be possible to blow the horns. I would imagine that most blown drivers are from over-powering not under.
This is what we wound up doing. It took us a while to build upward our system, but we ultimately acquired a QSC 1850 for our mains, an Art SLA-2 for our monitors and, last, a QSC 1450 for our sub. The mixer had a builit-in crossover. It was worth the wait, as we can now play well-nigh venues around here with this rig, and have even played outside with it a couple of times. We started out with new mains and the 1850, and just used a very one-time Peavey powered mixer to power a couple of old shell up monitors until nosotros could afford new stuff. My opinion is that it is ameliorate to buy the all-time stuff yous tin afford i piece at a fourth dimension. Just, everybody has their own approach.
I have a very similar system, merely with the EMX512 mixer and BR15 speakers. Yes, you can run everything off that mixer. The affair to have abroad from the "underpowered" argument is that you absolutely should non try to push your PA to the point where it distorts, as the distortion tin accident your speakers. That 500W + 500W amp is plenty enough power for any club where you don't need to mic the drums, or at least that'southward what nosotros use ours for. For annihilation bigger, we use the house PA or borrow or hire a bigger one from somewhere. The fashion to hook it up--in that location should exist a switch or push somewhere that lets yous switch the amp from 50/R to Main/Monitor. Connect the main output to one primary speaker, then run a cable from the 2nd connection on the main speaker over to the other primary speaker. Practice the same for the monitors. Those cabinets are wired with the jacks in parallel, so even though information technology looks like yous're daisy-chaining the speakers together, you're actually wiring them upwardly in parallel and getting max power out of your amp. This ONLY works with viii-ohm speakers--if you hook 4-ohm speakers this fashion to that mixer you'll overload the amp.
Clipping, in itself, does not cause loudspeaker drivers or crossover components to heat upwardly whatever more unclipped signals practice. Dynamic loudspeaker drivers are <<10% efficient, so they heat upwardly when power is applied regardless of whether it's make clean or distorted. Over 90% of the power in the betoken turns into heat and not acoustical energy. When an amp clips, information technology puts out ability in excess of its rating. With severe clipping, it may put out much, much more than power than its rating would indicate. Therefore, an amp rated at, say, 400 watts into 8Ω could be a safe pairing with 8Ω loudspeakers rated at, say, 500 watts continuous … but only if you're careful to avoid pregnant clipping. If y'all drive the amp into heavy clipping, you could easily cause it to put out greater than 500 watts for periods of time, mayhap causing the loudspeaker to fail. Go along in mind, though, that you could likewise destroy the loudspeakers with the same amount of power from a more than powerful amp that doesn't prune. In brusque: Information technology's not the clipping, information technology's the power. Clipping distortion causes boosted harmonics in the signal, and that may endanger tweeters and compression drivers. But clipping as well tends to partially obliterate HF signals that ride on the unremarkably larger LF signals, so the internet power delivered to the HF driver by a passive crossover may exist something of a wash, depending on the plan textile.
I utilise what is basically an before version (EMX5000) of what you are looking at, and it'south enough for modest to medium bars/clubs, or pocket-sized outdoor events. We've never run out of power, only then again, have never played to more 150 people without FOH support. What's your intended use?
Jehos has it correct. You lot can run 2-8ohm mains for "mains," and 2-8ohm monitors for monitors. information technology will work fine. if yous always want to build onto the system it is easy. You lot tin can run two- 8 ohm mains PER SIDE to get the full potential out of the mixer, then you run a one/4" line fro Aux Transport ane to a monitor amp, and so employ that to power more than 2 monitors, yous can even run Aux send two to give the drummer a different mix. Then you lot can run another 1/four" from "Mono Out" to a set of Active subs, yada yada yada etc. etc. Yammy powered mixers have all the goodies built on them. Its even got 2 channels of sixteen effects ea. that you can play with, reverb and delay are my personal favs.
Not sure if you meant to say you tin can run 2-8 ohm speakers per side. I don't think the mixer is capable of running at ii ohms
Yes it will exercise 2-viii ohm speakers per side, but not if you run monitors too. You would accept to run the monitors from a betoken from Aux 1 or Aux 2 thru another power amp/EQ. four ohm load per side stereo. If you want to written report it before you buy, go to the Yamaha website and download the owners manual.
I'yard pretty sure he meant that as "two 8 ohm speakers" (four ohm load) non "2 through 8 ohm"... So you lot're both correct
Here are some related products that TB members are talking about. Clicking on a product volition take yous to TB'due south partner, Master, where you lot can detect links to TB discussions nigh these products.
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